Marty and Karla Grant

!NOTE:See Indian application data at bottom (from Haney Genforum)

!CENSUS:1860 * Buncombe Co, NC Leciester pg 535 John HANEY, 7 NC;


!MARRIAGE:24 Dec 1869 Buncombe Co., NC
John G. Haney & Harriett E. Grant
by B. A. Lowrance, JP
Wit: James Wilson, Ransom Gudger, R. B. Vance;


!CENSUS:1870 Buncombe Co, NC Leicester Twp # 299 John HANEY, 18 (1851/52) born NC;

!CENSUS:1880 Buncombe Co, NC Leicester pg 49A
John HAYNEY Self M M W 23 NC/SC/NC
H.E. HAYNEY Wife F M W 27 NC/NC/NC
Jerry HAYNEY Son M S W 10 NC/SC/NC
Jane L. HAYNEY Dau F S W 7 NC/SC/NC;

!CENSUS:1900 Macon Co, NC Nantahala pg 118B # 146/150
John HANEY, Aug 1853, 47, M 31 NC/NC/NC
Hattie, wife Aug 1851, 48 M 31 9/4
Sarah, dau Sep 1881, 18
Riley, son Mar 1890, 10
Crofferd, son Jul 1892, 7
Frank, gr-son, Aug 1887, 12
Charley, gr-son, Apr 1895, 5;

!NOTE:From: Home: Surnames:Haney Family Genealogy Forum
John,Alford,David,et al,Cherokee in NC Posted by: Ralph Jenkins Date: March 18, 2000 at 16:46:47 of 2429

Here is another Haney family group who identified themselves as Cherokee Indians in their applications to the Guion Miller Roll of Eastern Cherokee. I am especially interested in these because they list a dead son named Manuel. My 2ggf was named Emanuel, also given as Manuel in his Civil War records. His uncle, born 1785 in VA, was named Immanuel. Neither of them is the dead Manuel of these records, but all instances of the name Emanuel/Immanuel/Manuel I know of are from McMinn Co, TN. So there is at least a chance that they are related to this family group.

Can anyone here connect to this family group, and add anything to the family history they give?

National Archives microfilm M1104 r. 3
Guion Miller Roll application #219, John Haney, dated 13 Sep 1906
Grouped with 219 are 238 (Alford Haney, brother of John), 12267, 16370-73
All were rejected for the usual reasons: not found on roll of 1835 or 1851, do not demonstrate descent from someone who was a party to the treaty of 1835, etc.

Residence: Nantahala Township, Lookout Post Office, Macon Co, NC
Born: 1847 Buncombe Co, NC
Wife: Harriett, age 44 [b. 1862, d. abt 1 Oct 1907 per letter below]
Father: James Haney, born Cherokee Co, NC, died 1884
Mother: Caroline Burnett, born Buncombe Co, NC, died 1886
Children of James and Caroline:
Harriet, age 75, living [1831]
Alford, age 73, living [1833]
Frank, age 67, living [1839]
Nancy, age 65, living [1841]
David, age 61, living [1845]
John, age 59, living [1847]
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Letter from John Haney, Lookout, NC, dated 24 Oct [1906] asking whether forms previously filed were in order.
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Letter dated 7 Nov 1906, from Miller Commission, acknowledging applications #219 and 238 for John and Alford Haney
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Supplemental application by John Haney for minor children, dated 24 May 1907
Residence: Duvall, Macon Co., NC
Born 1848, Buncombe Co., NC
Wife: Hattie Haney, deceased
Children:
Riley Haney, age 17, b. 26 Mar 1890
Crofford Haney, age 14, b. 14 Jul 1892
Charlie Read, age 12, 21 Apr 1895: "Charlie Read is a grandchild of mine his father and mother both being dead"
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Letter from John Haney dated 25 Oct 1907 asking about the progress of his application: "I am one a lone But To Little Childern and that is the Reson I wanted to know for my wife Drop Dead about 3 weeks agoe and I am Having a Hard Time."
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Letter from Miller Commission dated 22 Nov 1907 to John Haney asking whether he claims as a freedman or as Cherokee by blood.
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Letter from John Haney at Nantahala, NC, dated 27 Nov 1907
"Dear Sir, my Grate Grand Father was Bornd and Raised in Cherokee and He moved to Buncomb Co & Died & Baried Thire. All the Old Set is Dead and I Don't know whether thay was in Rolls are not my Grate Grand father was a Half Estern Cherokee & if I Hadent Had the Cherakee Blood in me I wood not Tried to Get it. I claim by my Grate Grand father and thay never was in Role with any other Tribe.
Yours Resp.
John Haney"
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Typed form letter from John Haney, Nantahala, NC, dated 5 Dec 1907 to Guion Miller Commission:
"I claim my Cherokee blood through my Grand-father his name was Samey Haney. I do not know whether any of my forefathers were ever enrolled or not.
My father lived in Cherokee County, N.C. he lived in South Carolina about six months, and the rest of his life in Buncombe County, N.C. They never claimed anything but Cherokee blood so I know they were never enrolled in any other tribe."
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Typed deposition dated 10 Jul 1908
After being duly sworn, John Haney deposes:
"My name is John Haney and I reside at Duvall, N.C. I was born in Buncombe Co, N.C. about 1847. I claim relationship to the Cherokee Indians through my father, James Haney, who was a quarter Cherokee Indian, and he claims through his father, Samuel Haney, who was a half blood Cherokee Indian. My father was born near Murphy in Cherokee County, N.C. My mother was a white woman. My grandfather, Samuel Haney, was born and raised in Cherokee Co., N.C. My father was born and raised in the Indian tribe in Cherokee Co., N.C. and we all claim Cherokee blood. I do not know whether my ancestors were enrolled. About 1851 my father lived in Buncombe Co., N.C. My grandfather died about 1850. I do not know whether any of my people, either on my fathers side or my grandfather's side, ever went west with the Indians. My father was always recognized as white with Cherokee Indian blood. My people, for as far back as I have ever heard, have always lived in Buncombe County and Cherokee County. Some of them might have gone west, but if they did I don't know. I do not know any of my uncles or aunts living at the present time. In this mountainous country families are easily separated, as the distance between us is too far to visit. We were always taught to spell our name Haney. I can remember distinctly of old people who are now dead telling me that my grandfather was a Cherokee Indian and was always recognized as such.
Subscribed and sworn to before me at Franklin, N.C. the 10th day of July, 1908.
Stanley A. Foutz
Assistant to Special Commissioner of the Court of Claims"
An unusual note appears below the text of the deposition:
"The name Ha-nee appears on the rolls. Resembles an Indian. S.A.F."
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Typed deposition dated 10 Jul 1908
David Lundsford, age 74, deposes :
"I knew the father of John Haney. . .his name was James Haney, and he was always recognized as part Cherokee Indian. I have often heard James Haney talk about his father, Samuel Haney, and he told me that he was born and raised among the Indians in the western part of the State of North Carolina. I remember when the Indians were taken out of this country. These people were always recognized as white with Indian blood. This is all I know about the matter."
David [b. 1834] is possibly the father of Elizabeth, wife of David Haney [b. 1845, m. abt 1870]. If so, Elizabeth probably was born about 1855.
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Letter from John Haney, Duvall, NC, dated 28 Jun 1908
"A Word to the Clirk of the Cort Washington DC I will give application no. 219 & the Deth of Father & Mother. James Haney died in 1884 mother died in 1886. Father name was Indian Muther was English & was of the Cherokee Blood. I met S.A. Foutz at Franklin NC & Prooved my Blood Now if I Have any more To Do Please write me at once write me all I Haft to Do Please answer this Letter and iam of the Cherokee Tribe. Please answer at once
Yours very Truly
John Haney"
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Letter from John Haney, Duvall, NC, in another hand, dated 15 Jul 1909
"My grandfather his Indian name was Sam. NUKS his English name was Sam. Haney. He was about 85 years of age when died close 50 years ago. My fathers name was James Haney he died in 1884 was 80 years old when died. I have witnesses to testify to the above statement. Please send some blanks for that purpose and instructions."
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National Archives microfilm M1104 r. 4
In application #238, Alford Haney (brother of John Haney #219)
Deposition by Harriet Roberts, age 69, dated in 1909. She testifies to the truth of the lineage given in the application, to the death dates of James Haney (1884, at age 80) and Caroline (1883, at age 75), of English descent. Also gives Sam NUKS as the Indian name of Samuel Haney.
Alford's application same as John's, with this note: "I have no minor children they are all dead."
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National Archives microfilm M1104 r. 124
Application # 12268, Ambrose Javan Haney, nephew of John and Alford
Resides: Lookout, Macon Co, NC
Born: 1 Jan 1872, Buncombe Co, NC
Wife: H. M. Haney
Father: David Haney
Mother: Elizabeth Lunsford [given as Ledford? in application #12269 below]
Brothers and sisters:
J.N. Haney, age 37 [1871]
A.M. Haney, age 35 [1873]
M.C. Chambers, age 34 [1874]
Laura J. Chambers, age 33 [1875]
Anna Chambers, age 22 [1876; age probably should be 32, since names are otherwise arranged in birth order]
Manuel Haney, dead [1877]
Dona Bryant, age 30 [1878]
Johnnie Haney, age 29 [1879]
Charley Haney, age 28 [1880]
Sarah Wilson, age 27 [1881]
Frank Haney, age 26 [1882]
Parile Cope, age 25 [1883]
Mark Haney, age 17 [1891, given as Mark T. in #12269]
Floyd Haney, dead [abt 1893]
Alice Haney, age 13 [1895, given as Alice V. in #12269]
[I assume that M.C. is a sister, and married a Chambers, as did Laura and Anna]
Grandfather: James, born Spartanburg Co, SC
Grandmother: Caroline [Burnett]
Children of grandparents:
Alfred Haney
Harriet Haney
Nancy Haney
Frank Haney, of Haywood Co, NC
David Haney, residence not known
John Haney
"James Haney and Noah Haney both dead."
Remarks: "My father has been absent for three years and I have not heard from him since he was last at Greer, SC when last heard from."
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Supplemental application for minor children of Ambrose J. Haney
Wife is Lou, age 41.
Minor children:
Ethel, born 17 May 1893
James M., born 21 Nov 1896
Garland, born 4 Aug 1901
Bonnie, born 2 May 1903
Oler, born 22 Jan 1906
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Application # 12269, for minor children of David Haney and Elizabeth Ledford
Minor children:
Mark T. Haney [1891]
Alice V. Haney [1895]
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Inferred tree:

1. ?? Haney, b. abt 1750, probably white
……… m. abt 1775 ?? Cherokee
………..2. Samuel NUKS or Haney, half-blood Cherokee, b. abt 1779 Cherokee Co, NC, d. abt 1859 Cherokee Co, NC
…………...m. abt 1800 Unknown
………..……….. 3. James Haney, b. 1804 Cherokee Co, NC, d. 1880 Cherokee Co, NC
………..…………. m. abt 1826 Caroline Burnett, b. abt 1804 Buncombe Co, NC, d. 1886 Cherokee Co, NC
………..………..………..4. James Haney, d. bef 1906
………..………..………..4. Noah Haney, d. bef 1906
………..………..………..4. Harriet Haney, b. 1831 Cherokee Co, NC, d. aft 1906
…??…..………..………..4. Alford Haney, b. 1833 Cherokee Co, NC, d. aft 1906
………..………..………..4. Frank Haney, b. 1839 Cherokee Co, NC, d. aft 1906
………..………..………..4. Nancy Haney, b. 1841 Cherokee Co, NC, d. aft 1906
………..………..………..4. David Haney, b. 1845 Cherokee Co, NC, d. aft 1906
……………………………..m. abt 1870 Elizabeth Lunsford
………..………..………..……….. 5. J.N. Haney, b.1871
………..………..………..……….. 5. Ambrose Javan Haney, b. 1 Jan1872 Buncombe Co, NC
………..………..………..…………… m. abt 1892 H. M. "Lou" ??, b. abt 1868
………..………..………..………..??……..6. Ethel Haney, b.17 May 1893
………..………..………..………..………..6. James M.Haney, b. 21 Nov 1896
………..………..………..………..………..6. Garland Haney, b. 4 Aug 1901
………..………..………..………..………..6. Bonnie Haney, b. 2 May 1903
………..………..………..………..………..6. Oler Haney, b. 22 Jan 1906
………..………..………..……….. 5. A.M. Haney, b.1873
………..……???..………..……….. 5. M.C. Haney, b. 1874
………..………..………..…………… m. ?? Chambers
………..………..………..……….. 5. Laura J. Haney, b.1875
………..………..………..…………… m. ?? Chambers
………..………..………..……….. 5. Anna Haney, b.1876
………..………..………..…………… m. ?? Chambers
………..………..………..……….. 5. Manuel Haney, b.1877, d. bef 1908
……???..………..………..……….. 5. Dona Haney, b.1878
………..………..………..…………… m. ?? Bryant
………..………..………..……….. 5. Johnnie Haney, b.1879
………..………..………..……….. 5. Charley Haney, b.1880
………..………..………..……….. 5. Sarah Haney, b.1881
………..………..………..…………… m. ?? Wilson
………..………..………..……….. 5. Frank Haney, b.1882
………..………..………..……….. 5. ParileHaney, b.1883
………..………..………..…………… m. ?? Cope
………..………..………..……….. 5. Mark T. Haney, b.1891
………..………..………..……….. 5. Floyd Haney, b. abt 1893, d. bef 1908
………..………..………..……….. 5. Alice V. Haney, b.1895
………..………..………..4. John Haney, b. 1845 Cherokee Co, NC, d. aft 1909
………..………..…………..m. abt 1878 Harriet, b. 1862, d. abt 1 Oct 1907
………..………..………..……….. 5. ?? Haney, b. abt 1879, d. bef May 1907 (daughter)
………..………..………..……………m. abt 1894 ?? Read, d. bef May 1907
……???..………..………..………..………..6. Charlie Read, 21 Apr 1895
………..………..………..……….. 5. Riley Haney, b. 26 Mar 1890 Macon Co, NC
………..………..………..……….. 5. Crofford Haney, b. 14 Jul 1892 Macon Co, NC

!CENSUS:1860 Henderson Co., NC Edneyville PO # 560/562
Mary Grant 27 $-/- NC
Harriet 9
Margaret 7
Thomas 4
Sarah 2;


!MARRIAGE:24 Dec 1869 Buncombe Co., NC
John G. Haney & Harriett E. Grant
by B. A. Lowrance, JP
Wit: James Wilson, Ransom Gudger, R. B. Vance;


!CENSUS:1870 Buncombe Co, NC Leicester Twp # 299 Harriet HANEY, 17 (1852/53) born NC;

!CENSUS:1880 Buncombe Co, NC Leicester pg 49A
John HAYNEY Self M M W 23 NC/SC/NC
H.E. HAYNEY Wife F M W 27 NC/NC/NC
Jerry HAYNEY Son M S W 10 NC/SC/NC
Jane L. HAYNEY Dau F S W 7 NC/SC/NC;

!CENSUS:1900 Macon Co, NC Nantahala pg 118B # 146/150
John HANEY, Aug 1853, 47, M 31 NC/NC/NC
Hattie, wife Aug 1851, 48 M 31 9/4
Sarah, dau Sep 1881, 18
Riley, son Mar 1890, 10
Crofferd, son Jul 1892, 7
Frank, gr-son, Aug 1887, 12
Charley, gr-son, Apr 1895, 5;

!CENSUS:1900 Macon Co, NC Nantahala pg 118B # 146/150
John HANEY, Aug 1853, 47, M 31 NC/NC/NC
Hattie, wife Aug 1851, 48 M 31 9/4
Sarah, dau Sep 1881, 18
Riley, son Mar 1890, 10
Crofferd, son Jul 1892, 7
Frank, gr-son, Aug 1887, 12
Charley, gr-son, Apr 1895, 5;

!CENSUS:1900 Macon Co, NC Nantahala pg 118B # 146/150
John HANEY, Aug 1853, 47, M 31 NC/NC/NC
Hattie, wife Aug 1851, 48 M 31 9/4
Sarah, dau Sep 1881, 18
Riley, son Mar 1890, 10
Crofferd, son Jul 1892, 7
Frank, gr-son, Aug 1887, 12
Charley, gr-son, Apr 1895, 5;

!CENSUS:1900 Macon Co, NC Nantahala pg 118B # 146/150
John HANEY, Aug 1853, 47, M 31 NC/NC/NC
Hattie, wife Aug 1851, 48 M 31 9/4
Sarah, dau Sep 1881, 18
Riley, son Mar 1890, 10
Crofferd, son Jul 1892, 7
Frank, gr-son, Aug 1887, 12
Charley, gr-son, Apr 1895, 5;